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MP3s !!! 2010-2011 DC TALKS
by yknot incommentary on mp3s: (in addition to circulate as you see fit!).
in light of the wts's recent attempts to conceal it's talks from broader inspection and documentation, mp3s to the public are now mostly the works of the 'conscious class' and those exjws who force themselves to endure hours upon hours of control-laced presentations.
kudos to all those who embody anonymous.
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Justitia Themis
What an incredibly disturbing video. This post will be “off topic” and is a response to the video and especially Netanyahu.
How evil of Netanyahu to invoke Rabin’s name when he bears some bloodguilt for Rabin’s death, and how DARE he even invoke the Oslo Accords that he helped to derail/destroy.
Historical context: It’s 1993. The Cold War was over, and Communist dependents have been outed. The US is THE lone superpower. The Arabs (Arafat and Assad in Syria) are in a mood to negotiate, because there is no one else to support them. Saddam and Iran would be managed through “dual containment.” However, a new threat was arising: the Islamic fringe who rails against modernity. Radical clerics begin to capitalize upon the piety of the youth, and these people are not the least bit interested in peace. In fact, conflict is the source of their power.
Clinton is president and is using Martin Indyk and Dennis Ross as Middle East aides, scions of the US Jewish political community; these two men will prove particularly destructive, not only regarding the peace process, but also regarding Saddam.
Israel elects Begin as Prime Minister, but he brings in Rabin, who was an old rival but also a big thinker Begin campaigns that he wants to make a deal with the Palestinians within nine months of being elected. The pioneer/victim spirit was fading. The younger Israelis were looking to technology and business to ensure their dreams, and they were looking for personal fulfillment. All these things required peace.
It was the perfect peace storm!
The two governments, Israel and the Palestinians, start secret negotiations in Oslo, Norway. Israel has Uri Savir. His father, Leo, was one of the founders of the Israeli foreign service. Uri was a humanist, intelligent, and believed that Israel needed to speak with its enemies. He wanted to see Israel break from its “ghetto psychology” (that Netanyahu sooo cultivates), and instead emerge as an emotionally healthy nation with robust diplomacy. He felt ( and there is incredible evidence that this has come to pass) that continued Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza would be a disaster for Israel and that with the passage of time, it would erode Israel’s “moral fiber and humanity.” Uri Savir, 1,100 Days That Changed the Middle East (New York: Random House, 1998), pp. 16-17.
The Palestinians sent Ahmed Queri, or Abu Ala, supervisor of economic development for the PLO. Queri believed as did most PLO leaders that Palestinians needed to recognize Israel to achieve statehood. He too was a committed humanist.
The Oslo Accords: the greatest diplomatic achievement since Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty!!! On September 9, 1993, Israel recognized the PLO, and Arafat recognized Israel’s right to exist. The PLO renounced terrorism and rejected violence as a means to solve differences. Israel agreed to negotiate final status of a Palestinian state.
Alas…not everyone was so happy with peace. There are those who need to foment hate/war to consolidate political power…
“To the Israeli right wing, the accords were anathema,” especially to “young princes” such as Benjamin Netanyahu. Patrick Tyler, A World of Trouble (New York: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2009), p. 410. They didn’t trust the Palestinians. They had no evidence that Arafat or his negotiators had nefarious intent. They just don’t like them…so everything is seen through a warped lens.
So HERE is how much Netanyahu LOVED Rabin and SUPPORTED the Accords. He goes before the Knesset and attacks him saying, “Mr. Prime Minister, there have been examples, in this century, when heads of state have gone crazy.” He goes on to compare Rabin to Neville Chamberlain, who acted “with blatant stupidity when he believed the liar Hitler and that is exactly what you are doing.” He said Rabin “was far worse than Chamberlain. You are endangering the security and freedom of your own people. “Netanyahu then vowed to “use all legitimate means at the disposal of a democratic opposition to stop this foolish process, when endangers the very future of the country.” Yossi Beilin, The Path to Geneva: The Quest for a Permanent Agreement, 1996-2004 (New York: Akashic Books, 2004), p. 54.
***Side note. As this is going Syria sees the writing on the wall. It doesn’t want to be odd man out and starts negotiating a peace between it and Israel. Assad commits to recognizing Israel since he is convinced that RABIN is worth dealing with, because he sees him taking a strong stand against the settler movement, including removing them by force. It appears peace is about to break out all over the Middle East!!!!
Back to Netanyahu…Carmi Gillon, director of Israel’s internal security forces starts warning the right-winger, especially Netanyahu and his Likud Party, to tone down their rhetoric against Rabin because they were inciting Israeli extremist elements to violence.
One such incident that impacted the peace process is the Ramadan massacre. In February 1994, Dr. Baruch Goldstein, an American immigrant, a religious settler in Hebron (400 Jews), and a member of the Jewish Defense League terrorist organization founded by Rabbi Meir Kahane, was angry at Rabin’s speaking of turning over the “Biblical lands” (lands he feels Israel should have because God promised them). So he walked into the Cave of the Patriarchs (Al Aqsa) during Friday prayers and opened fire with an automatic weapon, killing 29 and injuring 150.
But Gillon’s warnings were dismissed as his trying to interfere in the political process and trying to quash legitimate political debate. (Very similar to what is now happening in the US with Obama) Rabin attacks back and tells Likud (Netanyahu), “I’m fed up with your fear of what the settlers will say. You want 150,000 [Palestinians] Hebronites to remain under our control because of 400 Jews? There is a limit to arrogance and limit to timidity. I’m telling you that we can break Arafat, if that’s what you want. But then we’ll be left with Hamas, an intifada and terror.” How true those words have proved to be…
But Likud (Netanyahu) and the right-wing keep on… They start handing out photographs of Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform (again, sound familiar????). The Kach organization sent a group of “avenging angels” to Rabin’s home, attacking his car, ripping off the emblem, and spitting on it. Rabbis were calling his turning over the “Biblical lands” a crime.
On November 4, 1995, Rabin attends a peace rally. He was walking down the stair of the platform to his car when Yigal Amir, a twenty-five year-old right-wing extremist shoots him in the back three times. Mr. Amir was arrested and said he had no regrets, because God ordered him to act.
How dare Netanyahu invoke Rabin and the Oslo Accords that his party's pandering to the settlers derailed, committing the area to years of more carnage.
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Justitia Themis
Hate to point out the obvious JW, but if we wanted to be a world power leader, we could take the lead in signing and abiding by the Declaration, a political LEGALLY enforceable document, and other treaties. Cough, cough, of course, its legal enforceability is precisely why we will not ratify the document.
Eleanor Roosevelt would sure be proud to see her work finally come to a positive end.
http://www.hhropenforum.org/2009/08/human-rights-treaties/
The US has a particularly abysmal rate of ratification of international human rights agreements – of the nine core international human rights treaties created by the UN, only three have been ratified. The only treaties ratified by the US since 1994 have been optional protocols prohibiting the use of children in armed conflict and the sale of children and child prostitution. These protocols are additions to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), which the US has not ratified. Somalia and the US are the only nations in the world that have not ratified the convention, which is the most widely and rapidly ratified human rights treaty in history. The US has also failed to ratify the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), along with only six other countries, including Iran, Somalia, and Sudan.
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Have our Government’s ever protested to this Islamic Countries regarding the human rights and specially the women?
The answer is no, and the US would have no moral legitimacy if it DID try to argue human rights, because the US is NOT a signatory to all parts of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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Funny. I was flipping channels this last Sunday and landed on one of those crazy Bible-thumping preachers. He said almost the very same thing as you, JustHuman14, right down to trying to link Turkey to world prophecy.
Then he went on as to how this was fulfillment of Bible prophecy and PROOF that we are in the end times...Turkey is part of Gog of Magog...we must unite with Israel...Turkey getting mad about the Gaza blockade is proof...isn't it amazing how quickly the world scene can change because God is in control...yada yada yada.
For thosel of you who enjoy such drivel: http://rapturealert.blogspot.com/2010/01/turkey-boosts-ties-to-its-gog-magog.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWzUJ3yQqiI
BTW, the Lebanese woman quote in an earlier post is such an out-there Muslim hater that JEWISH groups have recinded her invitations to speak...hhmmmmm.
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2010 drama: historicity of Christians leaving Jerusalem between Roman wars
by Billy the Ex-Bethelite insorry if this has already been discussed, i haven't been around here a lot and i have this question for any history buffs.. this summer's dc is a fictionalized account of first century jehovah's witnesses (gag), leaving jerusalem right after the first attack by rome and fleeing to pella.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/194498/1/drama-audio-only.
other than jesus "this generation" prophecy, the bible mentions nothing directly about this.
even john, who wrote his gospel and letters afterward, makes no hint of events in jerusalem during that era.
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Justitia Themis
When I was still "in" and saw the Timothy drama of a couple of years ago, I commented on its lack of historical substance, and the regular pioneer/PO's wife in the congregation replied that it IS a dramatization.
Clearly, she didn't know what dramatization meant...
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The enigmatic mystery of the Nephilim, the Rephaim, and the Titans
by Leolaia init has been said that historical memory in oral tradition goes back only a few hundred years before it alters considerably in later retellings, and when even greater time depth is involved the mythic past fills in what has been collectively forgotten.
but myths purporting to relate events hundreds or even thousands of years in the past often contain kernals of historical memory amid the layers of tradition and archetypal folk motifs.
an excellent example from my own reading is that of the inuit eskimo in greenland who have a rich oral tradition about the norsemen who died out over 500 years ago and who originally colonized the land a millenium ago.
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Justitia Themis
Me too!
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MP3s !!! 2010-2011 DC TALKS
by yknot incommentary on mp3s: (in addition to circulate as you see fit!).
in light of the wts's recent attempts to conceal it's talks from broader inspection and documentation, mp3s to the public are now mostly the works of the 'conscious class' and those exjws who force themselves to endure hours upon hours of control-laced presentations.
kudos to all those who embody anonymous.
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Justitia Themis
Thank you for taking the time to do this. :)
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I have finally did it and I will graduate from college with my BA degree in Sociology.
by booker-t inwell everybody i told you all a few years back how hard it was to be in college at the age of 40. i thought my hair was going to fall out trying to keep up with the young college kids in math and science.
but now 3 years later i will be graduating this november with my ba degree.
i just love school and will be applying for graduate school to get my ma.
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Justitia Themis
Good job Booker-T AND Quandry!! ...and everyone else!
I start law school August 17th...at 50 years of age... ;)
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Magic Mormon Underwear
by whereami inwtf????
is this true?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cbfgmorige.
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Justitia Themis
Mainstream Mormons wear the "garments." I lived in Salt Lake for five years, and my nephew there got married just a couple of weekends ago. You get the garments only if you are a "worthy" couple who can be married in a temple.
It was strange seeing his garments peek out from underneath his cut-offs when he was sitting in the van on the way to the airport...so old looking for a 24 year old.
Mormons will tell you stories of people being in fires where their extremities were burned but no area covered by the garments, and they attribute this to the miraculous power of the garments.